For anyone following along here, think I found it.
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3Cweb.4381be8f2e4ee441731f01d10%40news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=251451
&toff=1300
that was painful going back to nov 2005 and
not reading some of the subjects, had to look away 'til got I there.
